Home Genealogy People Places Kilian History, page 3 Fourth Generation: Andreas Kilian, born in 1652 Andreas Kilian was born 1652 in Schainbach, Baden-Würtemberg, Germany and died in 1736 in Steinbach an der Holzecke, Bavaria, Germany. He was buried in Erzberg, Bavaria. Andreas was baptized in the Hengstfeld church on the 21st of September 1652. Schainbach had a church, but no pastor at the time. Andreas first married Anna Busch, the legitimate daughter of a Köbler  named Hans Busch, on the 13th of February 1677 in the Saint Gallus Church in Erzberg . Anna was from the small village Steinbach an der Holzecke   and Andreas moved to Steinbach at the latest before the 6th of February 1677 and his family lived there. Andreas and Anna had seven children, all born in Steinbach an der Holzecke and all baptized in the Saint Gallus Church in Erzberg. The baptismal records of Andreas' children say he was a Köbler  who lived in Steinbach. A good many of the witnesses to Kilian family baptisms and marriages were described as Köbler.  One of these baptismal records says Andreas was a Köbler and a weaver. This may mean he was a weaver who did agricultural day labor when the need arose or the opportunity presented itself. Children of Andreas Kilian and Anna Busch, all baptized in Saint Gallus Church in Erzberg 1. Anna Maria Kilian, born 1678 in Steinbach an der Holzecke, Bavaria, Germany 2. Apollonia Kilian born 1679 in Steinbach an der Holzecke, Bavaria, Germany   3. Michael Kilian, born 1681 in Steinbach an der Holzecke, Bavaria, Germany. 4. Eva Maria. born 1683 in Steinbach an der Holzecke, Bavaria, Germany. 5. Johannes Kilian, born 1685 in Steinbach an der Holzecke, Bavaria, Germany. 6. Barbara Kilian, born 1689 in Steinbach an der Holzecke, Bavaria, Germany. 7. Maria Margaretha Kilian, born 1691 in Steinbach an der Holzecke, Bavaria, Germany. Anna Busch was born before baptismal records were kept in Erzberg. It is presumed that Anna Busch was born before 1659, because it was customary in that century and in that area for women not to marry before they were eighteen years old. Anna Busch was buried in the Saint Gallus Church cemetery in Erzberg on the 30th of January 1693 and her age at death is not legible in the burial record. Andreas married Dorothea Knaus [or Kraus], the illigitimate daughter of the carpenter Hans Knaus in Bayernland [Bavaria] in Rhein- Anspach [Kleinansbach  ], on the 30th of October 1694. They had four known children, all born in Steinbach an der Holzecke and all baptized in Saint Gallus Church in Erzberg. The second child, named Andreas, died before he was three years old and they had another child, also named Andreas baptized on the 1st of December 1702. This was the Andreas Kilian who immigrated to America in 1732. Children of Andreas Kilian and Dorothea Knaus 1. Barbara, Kilian, born in 1695 in Steinbach an der Holzecke, Mittelfranken, Bavaria, Germany. 2. Johann Martin Kilian, born in 1696 in Steinbach an der Holzecke, Mittelfranken, Bavaria, Germany. 3. Andreas Kilian, born 1699 in Steinbach an der Holzecke, Bavaria, Germany, died as an infant before 1702 in Steinbach an der Holzecke, Mittelfranken, Bavaria, Germany. 4. Andreas Kilian, born 1702 in Steinbach an der Holzecke, Bavaria, Germany, married Maria Margaretha Fischer, 06 Mai 1722 in Feuchtwangen, Bavaria, Germany.  This is the Andreas Kilian who emigrated to America in 1732 and died 1788 in Lincoln County, North Carolina. Dorothea was buried in the Saint Gallus Church cemetery in Erzberg on the 8th of February 1727. She lived to see her two grandchildren Leonhard and Margaretha, but not long enough to celebrate Margaretha's first birthday, or to see her third grandchild Johann. Andreas was buried nine years later in the Saint Gallus Church cemetery in Erzberg on the 12th of January 1736, four years after his son Andreas immigrated to America. Andreas' birth date is calculated as 18th November 1652 from the St. Gallus church book record of his burial in Erzberg, Bavaria. It said he was buried on the 12th of January 1736 and died at the age of 83 years, 1 month and 24 days. His baptismal record, dated 21 November 1652, was found in the church book of Hengstfeld and is consistent with the calculated birth date. Baptism usually took place within a few days after birth because of the high infant mortality rate. Fifth Generation: Andreas Kilian, born in 1702 Andreas Kilian was born in 1702 in Steinbach an der Holzecke, Bavaria, Germany. He died in 1788 in Lincoln County, North Carolina. Andreas was baptized on the 1st of December 1702 in Saint Gallus Church in Erzberg. The record says his parents were a Köbler named Andreas Kilian resident in Steinbach and his wife Dorothea Knaus. Andreas married Maria Margaretha Fischer on the 6th of May 1722 in Feuchtwangen, Bavaria, Germany, daughter of Hans Leonhard Fischer and Maria Barbara Schülein. She was born in 1696 in Dürnhof [Thürnhofen], Bavaria. This marriage record provided sparse information about the bride and groom and did not identify the parents, where they lived, their profession or the names of witnesses, as is normal in German marriage records. It simply said: " ...Andreas Kilian of Artzbach [Arzbach] and Magdalena Fischer of Steinbach because of the act of fornication were married after the announcement on the 5th of May 1732..." Because women had no profession at that time and could not support a child, when a woman was pregnant out of wedlock, the village had to support the mother and child. To limit illegitimate births, the law required that the couple be jailed until they married. A cleric came to the jail and married them there. Then they were released with no police record. This was a civil matter and not punitive, but purely an act of coercion to force them to marry. At that time villages could not have police, militia, a market place or a jail. These were reserved for towns issued a charter with these rights. The nearest town with a jail was the Imperial Free City of Feuchtwangen. Although it is not stated in the marriage record, Andreas and Magdalena were almost certainly married in the building called the Büttelei, which still exists at Hirtengasse 14 in Feuchtwangen. Sometimes a fine was imposed and recorded in the marriage record, but in this case no fine was mentioned. Andreas had three children born in Steinbach an der Holzecke. Two of these records said Andreas was a weaver in Steinbach, and the third said he was a day laborer in Steinbach. This could mean a weaver working for a daily wage, rather than for his own business, or a weaver who did day labor when there was no demand for his craft. One of the records said he was a Schutzverwandter, which means he was not a citizen of the village, although he was born there. There was no state citizenship at the time. This meant he had to pay Schutzgeld (protection money) for the protection of the village, and to live and earn his living there. As a Schutzverwandter his commercial activities were severely restricted. He could not belong to a professional guild or operate a business. One of the records said he was a Wohngenosse. This meant he lived with someone else, but not necessarily a relative. This implies Andreas, his wife and children lived with his parents. The baptism records of all three children, Leonhard, Anna Margaretha and Johann, named their mother as Margaretha born Fischer, not Magdalena Fischer. There was no burial record for Magdalena and no marriage record for Margaretha Fischer so they are probably the same person. There are many name discrepancies in church book records because most people could not read and write. The cleric was given information verbally and wrote it the way it sounded to him. People with multiple names sometimes gave one name and sometimes another. If all other information in the documents is in order professional genealogists accept them as the same people. Magdalena Fischer's parents, residence and the profession of her father were not revealed in the marriage record. The search for her identity and analysis of all Fischer records found in the area lead to the conclusion that she was Maria Margaretha Fischer, daughter of Leonhard Fischer in Thürnhohen, Bavaria. This village was called Dürnhof at the time. Andreas sailed from Rotterdam on the ship Adventure to Philadelphia in 1732 with a stop in Cowes on the Isle of Wight in the English Channel. The ship Adventurer  passenger list did not show a family for Andreas. The list was organized as men, women and children without family connections. There were no other Kilians listed and no Magdalena or Margaretha Kilian or Fischer onboard. Andreas signed an oath of allegiance to the British crown and an oath renouncing other allegiances when he landed in Philadelphia in 1732 and then disappeared from the record until he turned up on a North Carolina land grant in 1749. It has been published that Andreas' name was  on Captain Samuel Coburn's colonial North Carolina militia mustered in 1748 for the Spanish Alarm. But Andreas was not on the only original handwritten list in the North Carolina archives. However, his sons Leonhard and Johann were on the list. The archive dates this list as 1750 based on the content and comparison with other documents. Since some people on the list came to North Carolina after 1753 the list must be after 1753. Also the archive said it had nothing to do with the Spainish alarm, which ended 1748. It is not known when Andreas’ family came to America, but Andreas' sons Leonhard and Johann were issued North Carolina land grants in 1749. Andreas' daughter Margaretha appears to be the person who married Michael Price, probably in Pennsylvania, at latest before 1743, judging by the birth date of her first known child. It is not known if Andreas' wife Maria Margaretha came to America, but there was no burial record found in Germany. She could have died on the voyage, or in Pennsylvania. She could have anglicized her name from Maria Margaretha to Mary. The various land transaction records in North Carolina only refer to "Andrew Killian and his wife Mary" and Andreas only called his wife Mary in his will. If she did come to America it is not physically possible that she was the mother of all twelve of Andreas' children. Presuming the estimated birth dates of Andreas' children are correct, she would have been in her 60s when the last child was born. Andreas obviously had a second wife and she would be the Mary mentioned in his will written in 1785. Family legend says Andreas' wife was Mary Beaver Cline or Maria Bieber [Biber] Klein. Andreas had a neighbor named Matthias Bieber or Beaver and bought land from him and his wife Susanna in 1750. Johann owned land adjacent to the land of Bostian Klein or Cline, but no firm evidence has been found to prove the maiden name of Andreas' second wife. In 1749 Andreas, and his sons Leonhard and Johann each received a land grant in Anson County, North Carolina under the names Andrew, Leonard and John. Andreas died in 1788 in Lincoln County, North Carolina. His grave and the grave of his wife have not been found. Sixth Generation: Children of Andreas Kilian and Maria Margaretha Fischer born in Germany 1. Leonhard Kilian was born in 1723 in Steinbach an der Holzecke, Mittelfranken, Bavaria, Germany. He was baptized in Saint Gallus Church in Erzberg on the 30th of April 1724. According to his gravestone inscription he died in 1795 in Lincoln County, North Carolina. 2. Anna Margaretha Kilian was born in 1726 in Steinbach an der Holzecke, Mittelfranken, Bavaria, Germany. She died in Virginia after the 11th of June 1802. Andreas' will mentions his daughter Margaretha's husband Michael Price. It is not know when Margaretha went to America, but she appears to be the Margaretha who married Michael Price [Priesch] in Pennsylvania, and based on the date of birth of her first known child she must have married in America before 1743. 3. Johann Kilian was born in 1729 in Steinbach an der Holzecke, Mittelfranken, Bavaria, Germany. He died after 1800 in North Carolina. If Margaretha Kilian was in America before 1743 it is highly likely that all three siblings came together. If their mother was still alive, and no death record was found in Gemrany, it is higly likely she came with them, but no proof have been found. Sixth Generation: Children of Andreas born in America Andreas had nine more children who were probably all born in America, because no baptismal records were found in Germany: Name Birth Date 4. Jean, est. 1732 - 1733 5. Crate, est. 1733 - 1735 6. Andrew, est. 1737 7. George, est. 1740 8. Trina, est. 1746 - 1748 9. Daniel,  est. 1750 10. Christiana, 1755 from her gravestone 11. Samuel, est. 1757 12. Elizabeth, est. 1760 These names came from Andreas' will and some of them appear to be nicknames. For example Trina is almost certainly a nickname for Catrina. There is no German name similar to Crate. These birth dates were published by the Killian Family Association of North Carolina, but only Christiana's birth date is supported by proof and the others are estimates. Some estimates are based on mention in census and tax lists, but they are largely based on the sequence they were mentioned in their father's will. This premise has been shown to be unreliable since Margaretha was mentioned first in the will and she was the second known child to be born. The Kilian immigrant pioneers in America The proven immigrants to America were Andreas Kilian and his three children: Leonhard, Anna Margaretha and Johann. Andreas's wife Maria Margaretha probably immigrated, but no proof has been found. Andreas arrived in Philadelphia aboard the ship Adventure in September 1732.  Andreas died in North Carolina in 1788. It is not known when his children arrived in America. Leonhard died in North Carolina in 1795. Johann died in North Carolina probably in 1799 or 1800. It appears that Anna Margaretha settled in Virginia and died there after 11 June 1802. It is known she was alive at that time because her husband Michael Price signed his will on that date and it contained the statement: "  . if my wife Margaret survives me . ." 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